im 90% sure its a walk, if it was just a jump stop, then going up for a shot then its fine.
but when you jump stop, take another step, then jump, im pretty sure its a walk
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im 90% sure its a walk, if it was just a jump stop, then going up for a shot then its fine.
but when you jump stop, take another step, then jump, im pretty sure its a walk
That absolutely sounds like a walk, the jump stop is your 2 steps you get, then you shoot/pass. But a jump stop, then step, then jump? 3 steps and is a walk, of course I'm not a ref or anything, but from what you say that's a sure walk. The thing that gets me at the HS level around here with the jump stop, is that the player will do it and still not go up immediately, which IMO you should have to, that's what make the jump shot tricky to call as opposed to your two steps for a layup or runner - you're in the air immediately after that second step with those(you have to or it's a walk), but the jump stop, it seems you get a lot more time...which you sort of need since you're jumping off both of your feet, but around here I've noticed, they'll let you by with sometimes 2-3 sec after the jump stop is made...that should be a walk IMO.
How many steps do you get there R13?
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Originally Posted by R13
you get 1 1/2 steps...your initial step then a "jump step"
with a proper jump stop (i.e. one in which both feet hit the floor at the same time) you STILL get 1 1/2 steps
think about it this way...say a player makes a jump stop at the 3 pt line, then sees he has nothing, so he pivots on his right foot to run and look for a teammate to pass to...this pivot is his first step...he then can still turn back to the bucket and take another half step (jump step) to go toward the rim
it wasn't a walk...it certainly looks like one, but in terms of whether it is actually a walk or not, it is not
Theres where I have always had issues with the jump stop. Luckily I never could jump to try and perfect it. :)
I know about the 1 1/2 step thing, but that isn't called on any level, while it's a "rule book number"...it's 2 steps on the floor, I've never seen a ref call a walk for that 1/2 foot going down.
What are we talking here? A player running down the court with the ball, then stops? Sees he has nothing, then takes his 1 1/2(2) to do something? Or 1/2 step(1)? No, that wouldn't be a walk. But I don't even see it being called that way in HS, it's mainly establishing pivot and they aren't counting the steps that closely in that situation.
While what you're saying may technically be right, you used a term in there, "a proper jump stop"...which means a perfect jump stop, both feet same time like you said, which rarely ever happens. That is definitively the proper way, but on every level, it's 1, 2 step into the jump stop and the players goes up..which would take your 1 1/2(2) steps up. So considering it's HS ball, I'm assuming the player did like most (down low, ones at the 3 pt line are executed sometimes better) and didn't execute the perfect jump step, which it isn't that easy and is called loosely because most of the time, one foot comes down before the other and not at the same time.
When I think think jump stop, I think of the 1, 2 step jump stop - right foot, then left or vice versa...not the proper both feet at the same time. So I see the jump stop as your steps you get to do something with the ball, that's why I see it as a walk.
1 1/2 means you get rid of the ball before that second foot hits floor its a walk.
I was taught the half-step was half step, foots half way on the floor, not half way down while still in the air. Is that what you're saying? I mean I've heard it both ways, just what I was taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
First of all did the player receive the ball by a pass at the three-point line??? If so he has to pick a pivot foot and not pick it off the floor which is not counted as a step at all...then he can actually start a drive and take two steps as long as he dribbles from that point without anything being a travel...a pivot is never a 'first step' or a step at all b/c if you don't pick a pivot foot at all it is a travel right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcdevil22
Now if the person dribbles once and spins on his right foot (looks like a pivot type concept) then that is your first of the two steps you are allowed and he could take one more continuous step before laying the ball up -- it does look like a walk but done properly it is not a walk at all.
drew the way you are explaining it, you make it sound like the jump stop doesnt count as any steps.
im sure the jump stop counts as at least one step, i thought two but i dont know the rules as well as some.
from a site I found:
Basketball Fundamentals - Basketball Jump Stop, Coach's Clipboard Playbook
1. A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot.
2. A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands;
(1) Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
(2) On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
(3) On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
b. If one foot is on the floor;
(1) It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
(2) The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
3. After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
c. The pivot foot may not be lifted, before the ball is released, to start a dribble.
4. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b. Neither foot may be lifted, before the ball is released, to start a dribble."
Here is how the guy from that clipboard coach site interprets it, and I think he is right:
Now let's take a player who already has possession of the ball on the outside. He/she makes a dribble move into the lane, picks up the dribble, takes one step, and then lands a two-footed jump-stop. So far, so good. But after landing the jump-stop, he/she cannot move either foot and has no pivot foot since the one step was already used up prior to the jump-stop. He/she could jump upward, but must either shoot or pass the ball before either foot touches the floor again.
So if a player gets teh ball, takes a dribble, picks it up, jump stops, then takes another step, its a walk, right?